15 Nominations per MOC per Academy - Up from 10

S

S_Austin

5-Year Member
Joined
Mar 12, 2018
Messages
70
I've heard that MOC's are allowed to nominate 15 nominates per academy for the next class (2029) but cannot seem to find the source. Has anybody heard the same and seen a source for this change?
 
There's already a thread about this. Use the search function above to find it. Much speculation and discussion and argumentation already happening there.
 
S_Austin said:
I've heard that MOC's are allowed to nominate 15 nominates per academy for the next class (2029) but cannot seem to find the source. Has anybody heard the same and seen a source for this change?
Click to expand...
See link below to current discussion in Nominations forum.

Thread 'Changes to SA Nominations'
https://www.serviceacademyforums.com/index.php?threads/changes-to-sa-nominations.94724/

I’ve confirmed with a USNA grad officer I know doing a Congressional legislative affairs fellowship that the 15 noms for Class of 2029 is apparently true; he contacted the senior staffer in the SA noms area of the Senator’s team. Hearsay, but fairly reliable.

Of course, that doesn’t mean class sizes will get bigger or more appointments will be offered. I think it will help MOCs who are inundated with hundreds of highly qualified applicants each year. Won’t do much for those Districts who can barely scrape together a slate of 5.
 
Last edited:
It has been discussed at our Area Coordinator's annual BGO meeting and we do have districts where this will provide some
relief. The district where I do interviews generally has between 60 and 80 or so applicants and the vast bulk are for USNA and
USMA with fewer than 10 for USAFA and fewer than 5 for USMMA. There had been no announcement yet for "28" but recent years
saw >20 acceptances to the SAs, again with the bulk to USMA and USNA.
 
Last edited:
The total size of the incoming classes for SA's is NOT changing. From a practical standpoint, I don't see this really means that much to Individual applicants. SA's advises applicants to apply to ALL NOM's for which you are eligible, the MOC NOM is NOT the only way to get a NOM. While more can get an MOC NOM, the number being offered appointments stays the same.
 
time2 said:
The total size of the incoming classes for SA's is NOT changing. From a practical standpoint, I don't see this really means that much to Individual applicants. SA's advises applicants to apply to ALL NOM's for which you are eligible, the MOC NOM is NOT the only way to get a NOM. While more can get an MOC NOM, the number being offered appointments stays the same.
Click to expand...
A few highly competitive districts might get an extra appointment is how I see it.
 
Mods: Recommend merging this thread into existing one in Nominations, for wider exposure, at link in Post #3 above.
 
I'm really not sure what problem this solved ? Sure, it makes the MOC look better because they can nominate more people, and it gives USNA a deeper pool of candidates to choose from, but as a practical matter, I wonder how often USNA (or other Service Academies) admits the #10 person on a MOC slate. (Yes, I recognize that most MOC don't "rank" their nominees, but USNA Noms and Appointments has to look at all nominees and pick the most competive). If the Number 10 person doesn't get selected often, then how often would the Number 15 candidate ?
 
Old Navy BGO said:
I'm really not sure what problem this solved ? Sure, it makes the MOC look better because they can nominate more people, and it gives USNA a deeper pool of candidates to choose from, but as a practical matter, I wonder how often USNA (or other Service Academies) admits the #10 person on a MOC slate. (Yes, I recognize that most MOC don't "rank" their nominees, but USNA Noms and Appointments has to look at all nominees and pick the most competive). If the Number 10 person doesn't get selected often, then how often would the Number 15 candidate ?
Click to expand...
Was this military driven, or Congress?
 
Old Navy BGO said:
I'm really not sure what problem this solved ? Sure, it makes the MOC look better because they can nominate more people, and it gives USNA a deeper pool of candidates to choose from, but as a practical matter, I wonder how often USNA (or other Service Academies) admits the #10 person on a MOC slate. (Yes, I recognize that most MOC don't "rank" their nominees, but USNA Noms and Appointments has to look at all nominees and pick the most competive). If the Number 10 person doesn't get selected often, then how often would the Number 15 candidate ?
Click to expand...

I agree with this logic.
I believe MOST competitive states don’t allow double dipping of nominations…that means if there are competitive candidates and they aren’t on the Senator slate, they are likely to make the Congressman/Congresswoman’s slate. Just doing the math, Senators could list 1,000 candidates on their slate…which is basically almost all of the class when you start factoring in presidential, NAPS/SECNAV, ROTC/JROTC, etc. Certainly some states wouldn’t select all 10 nominees, but for those in competitive states/districts…if MOCs don’t double dip, then the Congressman/Congresswoman would act as overflow. There could be onesie/twosie areas that benefit, but at large…don’t see a significant advantage. Now if a competitive district/state does double dip, then it might be beneficial.
 
usnabgo08 said:
I agree with this logic.
I believe MOST competitive states don’t allow double dipping of nominations…that means if there are competitive candidates and they aren’t on the Senator slate, they are likely to make the Congressman/Congresswoman’s slate. Just doing the math, Senators could list 1,000 candidates on their slate…which is basically almost all of the class when you start factoring in presidential, NAPS/SECNAV, ROTC/JROTC, etc. Certainly some states wouldn’t select all 10 nominees, but for those in competitive states/districts…if MOCs don’t double dip, then the Congressman/Congresswoman would act as overflow. There could be onesie/twosie areas that benefit, but at large…don’t see a significant advantage. Now if a competitive district/state does double dip, then it might be beneficial.
Click to expand...
Off the top of my head, I think that there are SOME pretty competitive districts at least in California, Virginia, Florida, Maryland, NJ, Texas and probably NY. While all of those states also have less competitive districts, there is probably enough competition in the competitive districts to overwhelm the Senatorial slates as well. This lets a few more potentially admittable folks get onto slates that would not get to the party otherwise.
For example, for the Norther Virginia district just outside of DC, I believe that with hundreds of candidates for USNA, number 14 or 15 might easily be a top candidate almost anywhere in the US. It is to the Navy and the Nation's benefit that we open that path up a bit.
 
I would be surprised if this results in more appointments from competitive districts. There already is an over representation of those areas at USNA. USNA is looking to increase appointments from underrepresented districts. In the end, more candidates will be in the mix but #11-15 aren’t likely to be appointed.
 
usna1985 said:
I would be surprised if this results in more appointments from competitive districts. There already is an over representation of those areas at USNA. USNA is looking to increase appointments from underrepresented districts. In the end, more candidates will be in the mix but #11-15 aren’t likely to be appointed.
Click to expand...
I don't it will think it will necessarily increase appointments, but at least more will have a chance. If you don't have a ticket to the dance, your chances are virtually zero...at least more kids will now have a chance. In our district alone, there were <10 applicants for AF and USMA. There were >than 70 (the exact # is not known, but it was probably far higher than that if you take into account how many kids were there to interview over several weekends) for Annapolis. That's a lot of bodies for 10 spots, especially knowing that you would be naive to think some of those 10 are already spoken for before interviews even begin. If nothing else, it puts you in a better position for foundation or NAPS. Obviously, I don't know the exact numbers for everyone attending NAPS or foundation next year, but it's pretty apparent in the number of people that we spoke to that are going that the overwhelming majority had a nomination in hand (even though you don't technically need one)

When DS was speaking to the BGO when he received the turn down, and he was inquiring about the best plan for next year, he (the BGO) just re-iterated to him that "he needs a nom above anything else". Prep schools don't offer a nom...NROTC does.
 
USMC Crayons said:
I don't it will think it will necessarily increase appointments, but at least more will have a chance. If you don't have a ticket to the dance, your chances are virtually zero...at least more kids will now have a chance. In our district alone, there were <10 applicants for AF and USMA. There were >than 70 (the exact # is not known, but it was probably far higher than that if you take into account how many kids were there to interview over several weekends) for Annapolis. That's a lot of bodies for 10 spots, especially knowing that you would be naive to think some of those 10 are already spoken for before interviews even begin. If nothing else, it puts you in a better position for foundation or NAPS. Obviously, I don't know the exact numbers for everyone attending NAPS or foundation next year, but it's pretty apparent in the number of people that we spoke to that are going that the overwhelming majority had a nomination in hand (even though you don't technically need one)

When DS was speaking to the BGO when he received the turn down, and he was inquiring about the best plan for next year, he (the BGO) just re-iterated to him that "he needs a nom above anything else". Prep schools don't offer a nom...NROTC does.
Click to expand...
A nom isn’t needed for prep. Having a nom doesn’t lend someone to a better chance of prep. An applicant’s package is scored and voted on with an outcome. Many of these packages are scored and voted on before noms occur. If they are voted with a yes for USNA they go to Noms and Appointments for slating. So even if someone had a nom and voted on for prep, in theory it doesn’t even go to Noms & Appts.
 
NavyHoops said:
A nom isn’t needed for prep. Having a nom doesn’t lend someone to a better chance of prep. An applicant’s package is scored and voted on with an outcome. Many of these packages are scored and voted on before noms occur. If they are voted with a yes for USNA they go to Noms and Appointments for slating. So even if someone had a nom and voted on for prep, in theory it doesn’t even go to Noms & Appts.
Click to expand...
Well, if that's the case that they are voting on and scoring the majority of packages for prep before noms are even solidified, I don't know why they are keeping kids pending without a nomination as long as they are. If candidates are rolling into Feb/Mar and they are not scoring for prep, then just turn it down and move on.
 
USMC Crayons said:
Well, if that's the case that they are voting on and scoring the majority of packages for prep before noms are even solidified, I don't know why they are keeping kids pending without a nomination as long as they are. If candidates are rolling into Feb/Mar and they are not scoring for prep, then just turn it down and move on.
Click to expand...

It’s possible the admissions board deferred some of these decisions pending first semester senior year transcripts or for additional college testing scores to come in before they decide an individual should go to NAPS/prep (and when these updates come in…it isn’t like all of the other candidates’ packages go to the side…goes back into some queue). Additionally, there is now a NAPS waitlist. It isn’t as cookie cutter like you make it out to be. I get that everyone wants transparency and to know how every decision is made behind the admissions walls…but that isn’t the model for USNA admissions.
 
Capt MJ said:
In particular, those with LOAs who really, really, just need a nom and they are not eligible for any except 3 MOC and VP.
Click to expand...

Interesting thought…USNA has been dispelling the rumor to MOCs for years that USNA does not “find” a nomination for those with LOAs. Another piece of language that could have been included would be that a candidate who receives an LOA (guaranteed offer of appointment) by an SA would not count towards the 10 (or now 15) nominees, provided it occurred/was submitted before January 31. There would have to be an assumption that a MOC would still due their due diligence to make sure the LOA candidate deserves/earns the nomination.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top